Monday, January 31, 2005

Same sex marriage

(A very old post.)
I had remarked on a Dennis Prager interview with two sociologists, John Borneman and Laurie Hart, on the subject of marriage. One of the things that had struck me during the interview was the wide variety of human relationships that could qualify as "marriage" under the definition being proposed.
I had taken a recording of the interview with me on a trip, and when I heard it again, I remembered that I had wanted to e-mail the interviewees and ask if this was an outrageous interpretation. Finding e-dresses was easy, and today, I received a reply.
On Sunday, May 30, 2004, at 01:09 AM, Karl Lembke wrote:
Greetings: I heard your interview with Dennis Prager on the subject of marriage. As the discussion went back and forth over the essential criteria that define "marriage", I was struck by the number of possible human institutions that could conceivably fit the definition. Given that the definition appears to encompass, in its indispensable points, little more than one person leaving a dependency relationship with one group and entering one with a different group, I'm wondering if it's possible to exclude legal adoption or fostering of a child from the definition of "marriage". In other words, does it violate the sense of the anthropological definition of "marriage" to regard an adopted child as having been "married" by its adoptive parents? Thank you for sitting for the interview.
Dear Karl, one of the more intelligent comments we received. In fact, you are right if one is consistent theoretically. That is, take the issue of care and dependency, as the basis for marriage. Of course, this is also an ideal condition, and necessary, but never sufficient in any particular place. Things are always tacked on (like age or class or residence restrictions, not to speak of sexual ones). Personally, given the delegitimation of class or race-based forms of exclusion, I favor a minimalist definition of marriage as those dependency relationships that require particular kinds of social care. all the best, John
Calling my comments "intelligent" is a good way to stay off of my bad side, and the rest of the reply sort of confirmed a though I had while listening to the interview. If we take the proposed definition of a transfer of dependency relationship from one group to another as a Generalized Anthropological Definition of Marriage (GAD), then "marriage" becomes defined so broadly as to be almost meaningless. At the very least...
... it would appear that legal adoption and fostering do fall under the Generalized Anthropologists' Definition (GAD) of "marriage". Therefore, same-sex marriage is already legal in this country, and we can quit fighting over the issue.
Like that'll ever work.

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http://onlineathens.com/stories/030707/news_20070307069.shtml

FBI: 18-year fugitive caught in Athens
Man wanted on Ohio child rape charges frequently wrote to newspaper
By Joe Johnson | joe.johnson@onlineathens.com | Story updated at 3:52 AM on Wednesday, March 7, 2007

A fugitive who fled child rape charges in Ohio 18 years ago apparently was comfortably settled in the Athens area, snug enough to write regular letters to the Athens Banner-Herald editor until authorities caught up to him this week.

Agents learned that 66-year-old Larry Ray Bess was living under an alias on Deer Hollow Road in Bogart, and they pulled his car over at Georgia Square Mall Monday and turned him over to Athens-Clarke police pending extradition to Ohio, said Scott Wilson, special agent with the FBI's Cleveland office.

Bess wrote letters to the Athens Banner-Herald under the name Norm Weatherby, using the same Deer Hollow Road address. He'd become one of the most prolific letter writers, penning more than a dozen opinions letters last year on topics ranging from underage drinking to public education to U.S. foreign policy.

In a letter e-mailed to the newspaper on Monday, "Norm Weatherby" gave a telephone number that was listed to an insurance agency.

Bess was indicted in November 1989 on charges of rape and gross sexual imposition of a minor - a crime similar to aggravated sexual battery in Georgia - according to Wilson.

Bess also was wanted on a 1999 federal warrant charging him with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.

Ohio prosecutors allege Bess raped his stepdaughter over a six-year period, 1983 to 1989, beginning when she was 6 years old. The assaults happened in North Royalton, a suburb of Cleveland, officials said.

Bess never was arrested, but a grand jury indicted him after the stepdaughter took her allegations to prosecutors, according to Wendy Clawson, spokeswoman for the Cuyahoga County Prosecuting Attorney's Office.

"After he was indicted, he just took off," Clawson said.

Wilson didn't know how long Bess lived in Clarke County and would not say how authorities learned he was here.

FBI agents told local police that Bess lived in several states and countries during his time on the run, and moved to Bogart from Texas about a year ago, Athens-Clarke police Sgt. Randy Garrett said.

When he was arrested this week, Bess had a Georgia driver's license that identified him as 65-year-old Norman Eugene Weatherby, according to Garrett, who said investigators received a tip two days before that Bess was in the Athens area.

Bess was held without bond at the Clarke County Jail.

Wilson said if Bess decides to fight extradition to Ohio, authorities probably will seek a governor's warrant to get him back for prosecution.

"We'll do whatever we have to do," the agent said.


Published in the Athens Banner-Herald on 030707